The Cheat: Passing On Thome Is Ozzie's "All The Pieces Are In Place" Moment

by Ricky O'Donnell on January 26 at 2:42AM


Yesterday, the White Sox decided to pass on bringing back Jim Thome. It appeared Kenny Williams was in favor of Thome returning, but the GM gave veto power to his manager, and Ozzie said no dice.

Here's how Ozzie explained his decision:

"It came down to getting enough at-bats,'' Guillen explained. "I don't want a season where Jim sits three or four days in-a-row and the media comes up to him and asks, 'You're not playing ... '' This thing will become a soap opera. It's about at-bats.

"I talked to Jim [Sunday] and I made everything clear, how he would have to work with the ballclub. I wouldn't get that many at-bats for the ballclub. Play once a week, twice a week. I don't think it was fair for him. I have too much respect for the man. It was not an easy decision. Every decision is harder than another, but that one was not easy. I wanted to let him know in case he had something else with someone else.''

The Sox won't be signing a full-time DH this offseason. Ozzie plans on rotating Mark Kotsay, Andruw Jones, and Omar Vizquel at that spot.

And that is.......sort of insane.

Jim at Sox Machine and The Cheat at SouthSideSox both wrote great posts on what Ozzie passing on Thome means. Go read both of them if you want to get a better handle on this whole situation and how we got here.

Jim points out that Thome has plenty of flaws, but so do the guys replacing him.

Thome's too old.  So are they.
Thome's too slow. They don't get on base enough to matter.
Thome hits for a low average. So do they.
Thome's an injury risk. He's better conditioned than Jones, and Kotsay's had two back surgeries in four years.
And then he gives us the numbers. Here's what Thome did last season compared to Kotsay-Jones-Vizquel.

http://www.tremendousupsidepotential.com/img/dhbreakdown.jpgThe Cheat compares Ozzie to Dave Wannstedt, and says this is Guillen's "All the pieces are in place" moment. Read this, but try not to puke.

Back in the day, Dave Wannstedt, then the embattled Bears head coach, told reporters "All the pieces were in place" for a Super Bowl run. He had finally been allowed to make the Bears over in his own image, including the unjust jettisoning of Kevin Butler who had to "compete" for his job as place kicker with undrafted (and woefully ineffective) free agent Carlos Huerta. Butler was the last remaining Bear from the Super Bowl and consequently the last remaining connection to the Legend of Ditka, a shadow Wanny had desperately been trying to crawl out from under. Huerta would famously flop, missing a FG in all three of his games before being cut. But the damage was done.

Wanny had, in an attempt to make the Bears his team, made them weaker in a way that was completely obvious to anyone not named Wannstedt. It was (arguably) the moment he signed his ticket out of town, although it would take another couple of years for the axe to fall.

So here's Ozzie, a manager by title, who famously argued for hours with Kenny Williams during his initial interview for the job. It's no secret to anyone that he has a desire to make a team in his own offensive image (need I remind you that image is not that good even for a shortstop?) But what Ozzie has lacked in new-school sabermetric acumen, he has made up for with a deft touch with his pitching staff and an affable demeanor that deflects attention from his struggling players. On the whole, he's been one of the better managers in baseball during his tenure.


I hate to hate on Guillen because he's the man and I believe he is a good manager, but, man, this sucks. It seems stupid getting pissed at Ozzie for this though when choosing the players isn't part of his job description. He's the coach, not the GM. For giving him that power, I guess we have to blame Kenny.

I'm not giving up hope for the 2010 Sox just yet, though.

I think the Sox are going to be pretty good because their pitching is so good. But here's the thing: if the offense struggles (and it probably will), Kenny will remember that he's the GM, and make a move. When the Sox realize they need a real DH, they'll get one. Kenny won't sit on his hands all year if the DH Rotation (it feels dumb just typing it) is messing everything up.

So yeah: that's how I'm rationalizing this.





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Dear Cheat,

Please don't make stupid, irrelevant comparisons anymore. My friend Ricky reads your stuff everyday and usually takes what you say very seriously. Today he mistakenly let himself be influenced by your porous argument comparing Ozzie to Dave Wandstedt.

"The Cheat's" comparison of Wanny to Ozzie made absolutely no sense.

The blog post said it himself that DW was saying "all the pieces were in place" mainly to rid his team of the Ditka era. Ozzie on the other hand is saying it because he ACTUALLY believes the guys he has can win.

Ozzie has no shadow he needs to try to outrun. If anything it's his shadow that is going to scare the next two or three managers.

Wannstedt didn't sniff the success Ozzie has had. He never won a division crown, he reached the playoffs just once and never won more than nine games.

I trust Ozzie's judgment, in Year 5 of his managing of the Sox- a team he has gone to the playoffs with twice already and won a title- 100 times more than I trust Dave Wannstedt in Year 4 in his wildly-disappointing tenure as Bears head coach.

So we're talking on two different scales here. Ozzie has won enough games and pushed the right buttons enough times to make this "his" team and have the ability to say he feels everything is ready to go. And he isn't saying it just to assure people he is capable of managing the team; unlike DW.

Just because the guy "wasn't even a good shortstop" should not scare people away from the idea that he might be able to manage an offense efficiently.

And by far the least important argument I would like to make is that the 1996 Bears did not succeed just because Kevin Butler was not the kicker.

I'll miss Thome, but there are a lot of reasons why I think this is good.

All teams for basically the past 4 years have done the "Thome shift." Only once, ONCE, have I seen Thome try to push a ball down the third base line. He only hit for the fences.

Also, now, if the DH rotation gets on base, it won't be station to station ball. They already have enough guys that can clog the bases.

The Sox never did anything great with Thome anyways. Yes, he hit the homerun in game 163, but what did that amount to? He went 2 for 16 in the loss against the Rays. Just getting into the playoffs is not what I consider a successful season.

Phil: the comparison has more to do with ego getting in the way with logic. In both cases, the coaches wanted to win on their terms. I think that's as far as he was trying to stretch that.

Mike: It's not so much about Thome as it is heading into the season with Kotsay-Jones-Vizquel. Thome is a safe bet to out-produce those guys, but so would a number of other "real" DHs. Jack Cust (who resigned with the A's), or Russ Branyan, or Dye...you name it. It's the Sox's (and Ozzie's) refusal to add another batter because of "flexibility" that is the head-scrather. This offense is bad now as it as, why not sign another guy who can hit for power and drive in runs? That's the advantage you have in the AL. It's like the Sox of purposely conceding that.

But like I said, if this DH Rotation isn't working out, I trust Kenny will get another bat.

I agree but my point was that we shouldn't be worried about Ozzie wanting to have more say in the squad. He has won, Wandstedt hasn't. Ozzie is also a guy who doesn't let his ego effect the overall outcome simply because it means too much to him.

Good points. I would love to see JD get a shot at the DH spot and hopefully make us all forget about the second half of last season.

Ricky, you need to hop on the Greg Oden story asap (no pun intended.)

I like Thome as much as the next guy (or gal) but I don't feel he's that much of an offensive threat anymore. His days of pounding out 40+ homers are in the rear view mirror.

Guys with big swings like Jim struggle getting into a groove when the weather is inclement, as it often is for at least two months out of every season here in Chicago.

Players with a shorter stroke, and a little speed are better equipped to put the ball in play, and make something happen when temperatures are in the 40's and 50's.

Also; with youth comes the advantage of agility and quicker reflexes; components that begin to fade rapidly as one approaches the age of 40. It's just a fact of life, and roster decisions should not be made based upon those rare exceptions.

I just can't see paying the kind of money that a future HOF player such as Thome would command for 20 to 30 dingers, and 60 to 70 walks. It just doesn't add up, especially when you factor into the equation that he's about as useless as a broken bat once he gets on base, and is unable to sub defensively for any players in the starting line-up.

At this stage in his career, he's a luxury that we can't afford.

Phil- Regardless of all your arguments, it is still pretty obvious that Mark Kotsay, Andruw Jones, and Omar Vizquel as a DH platoon is simply not a good offensive plan. "Hey, our DH hits in the 7-hole!!!" The only way this does not get blown up in a month and a half into the season is if somehow Andruw Jones magically turns into '99 Andruw Jones like some kind of Kurt Warner hybrid or something, which in all likelihood will not happen. This offense is very weak. This is not a grand plan.

Mike- Everything you just said I have problems with. go here: firejoemorgan.com ... and we will talk again in a week.


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