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Piling It On: 10 More Anti-Cubs Thoughtsby Bobby Loesch on June 20 at 12:04PM
BobbyStompy agrees with (pretty much) everybody else 1) Turning on Sosa -- Cubs fans blindly defended Sosa through thick and thin, including when his BAT WITH A CORK IN IT broke on the field for the whole world to see. All of a sudden, when Sosa walked out on the Cubs during his last game in Chicago, it was enough for Cubs fans to burn his bridge after 12 years of loyal service. Listen, I'm sorry it ended poorly, idiots, but he was one of the few reasons why your team was relevant during that period. 2) Trying to discredit the White Sox 2005 World Series title using the "ratings" argument -- Cubs fans are quick to point out that the Sox-Astros series was one of the lowest rated World Series contests of all-time. The south side response: who cares? Wrigley Field fosters a "look at me, I'm on my cell phone at a baseball game!" argument to the point where some fans literally believe a championship would be tainted in some way due to poor ratings. Really? Actual fans do not care about insignificant crap like that. 3) They hate on Hawk (fine.), but they love Harry Caray (what?!) -- If fans of a team like the Braves or Cardinals rip on Hawk, I'll politely listen and explain why I think he's awesome. After all, Hawk is kind of an acquired taste, but I understand how his weird homerism can get annoying. But Cubs fans have the gall to rip on Hawk while simultaneously liking Harry Caray. Caray was unconventional, by many accounts a total jerk, and often made little sense due to poor knowledge and slurred speech. Hawk is pretty much all of those things (except for the jerk part... every person I know who has met him has said he was great). Pimping Caray but hating on Hawk is a double-edged sword that Cubs fans idiotically wield. 4) They hung a dead goat on a statue of Harry Caray -- Curses aren't real. You know what is? An entire century of bad baseball. This was pretty disgusting... but also kind of funny. 5) "Go Cubs Go" -- This dated, eighties-sounding song written by Steve Goodman gets played at Wrigley after every Cubs victory. Though it didn't make its resurgence into regular rotation until until recently, it will surely be a deep-rooted Cubs "tradition" in three to five years when Cubs fans will attest it "always" got played after wins. When I was still at the University of Iowa, a bar I was at played it THREE TIMES in an hour after the Cubs won the pennant. Iowa does not have pro teams. The Cubs can counter this by making fun of the fifties-sounding "Go Go White Sox" songs which gets played randomly at U.S. Cellular Field, and you know what? I'll give them that. Both songs are stupid. The difference is the Sox one has more than two lines to remember, thus making it more of a real song and less of a drunken sing-a-long where any schmoe can learn the lines and pretend along just like everybody else. 6) Sponsorship -- Most Cubs fans I know slammed the White Sox when Comiskey changed to U.S. Cellular Field in 2003. First off, by all accounts -- and 'by all accounts,' I really just mean according to the movie "Eight Men Out" -- Comiskey the owner was a jerk. He benched pitcher Eddie Cicotte with 29 wins so he wouldn't have to pay him a $10,000 bonus for winning his 30th game, he gave the team flat champagne for winning the AL pennant, and he even forced players to pay to have their uniforms washed during the season. So first, I'm glad they got his name off the stadium. Second, the Sox used the money to do important things like boost payroll and make the park better -- yes, renovations are a good thing. And third (and probably most important), Wrigley Field was the first stadium ever to have a corporate sponsored name! If you point this out to Cubs fans, they use some ass backward argument about how it's a "tradition," which, to me, means "if you wait 70 years, no matter how dumb something is, it's automatically good just because it's a tradition." Stupid. 7) They threw quarters at my 7 year-old cousin (a girl) -- In 2004, I was forced to go to Wrigley Field as part of an odd birthday party. My aunt won sky box tickets in some sort of charity auction, and since it was my present, I literally couldn't say no. I brought my buddy Ken who likes the Sox as much as I do. The Cubs were pretty much winning the whole time, but the Pirates ended up coming back late in the game and taking a lead. Ken and I went out onto the walkway outside the sky box and started yelling "GO PIRATES!" until the fans below were riled up enough to start throwing peanuts at us. While we mocked them, they realized throwing quarters at us was much more effective (fair enough, we probably deserved it). We ended up getting bored with the drunk idiots, and, fearing injury, we went back into the box and shut the door. When my little cousin walked out to use the restroom, the Cubs fans launched a barrage of quarters at her with no mercy. It was as if they couldn't distinguish her from us. I was in total awe of their savagery. 8) Running Steve Stone (the greatest announcer ever) and Chip Caray (dece) out of town because they acted like a journalists and not fawning hero worshipers -- Wikipedia sez: Stone expressed frustration with Cubs manager Dusty Baker for not controlling his players. At one point during the 2004 season, Kent Mercker called the broadcast booth from the bullpen during a game to complain about comments made, and he also confronted Stone in a hotel lobby. Among the comments that reportedly irked Mercker were Chip Caray's praise of Houston Astros pitcher Roy Oswalt. It was also reported that Mercker and left fielder Moisés Alou yelled and shouted at Stone on a team charter plane to an away game in 2004, and that Alou tried to have Stone and Caray banned from the team charter flights. 9) Wrigley Field -- No fireworks, little league bullpens, dated everything, troughs to pee in, throwing back home run balls (yeah, like you're throwing back an A-Rod record-breaker... it's all or nothing, guys). The stadium has this unexplainable mystique purely cultivated by fans and media (most visiting managers and players hate it). It's funny, I have a buddy from Scotland who visited both stadiums and had no idea why Wrigley has the kind of buzz it does. "U.S. Cellular is just so much better," he said bluntly. Little did he know most baseball fans would consider that blasphemy. 10"Wait 'Til Next Year!!!!" -- Cubs fans love this phrase, and I'll explain why. When they team is winning, they're happy. They fly their "W" flags, talk about how 'destined' the team is, and complain about the one position that needs to get better (this year: outfielder, usually: pitcher). But when the team absolutely blows (most of the time), they throw out "Wait 'Til Next Year" as some idiotic credence... as if to imply the team will have the inside track over everyone else when next summer rolls around. We get it, you're loyal, but you sound like morons. If the Cubs are 29-42, fans celebrate meaningless wins like playoff games. But if they lose, no big deal, they'll for sure win next year! After multiple generations of Cubs fans have died without seeing a title, I have no idea how this weird expression still gets perpetuated. It's this odd sense of false invincibility that Cubs fans love. * * * Things I think are important to point out: I'm a Michigan fan who respects a Ohio State (I'd even say "fears"), a Bulls fan who digs the Pistons (Tayshaun is God), a Bears fan who doesn't mind the Packers (besides Favre, the eternal idiot), and even an Iowa alumnus who loves Iowa State (seriously.). I'm not one to buy into rivalries just because I'm 'supposed to.' But the Cubs-Sox thing is real. I was sitting in the third deck at The Cell when Barrett punched A.J. in the face. The buzz around the stadium was unlike anything I'd ever seen at a sporting event. I felt the tension building to the point where I feared a massive brawl. You can say the Sox care way more than the Cubs, and you'd probably be right. Cubs fans usually downplay the crosstown rivalry and say the Cardinals are their biggest rivals, which is fair enough, but little means more to most Sox fans than destroying the Cubs year after year. And I know it grinds the Cubs' gears when the Sox are able to pull it off. I recognize the Sox aren't perfect. Copying the Cubs' ivy was a disgrace, I cringe whenever Sox fans get homophobic when bashing Wrigley/Wrigleyville, and if you're going to use the "who has hotter fans?" argument, the Cubs will always win in a landslide (except possibly in 2006 when the Sox had tons of cute bandwagon chicks). But if you're an objective fan of baseball -- I repeat: baseball -- then I have no idea how you could casually pick the Cubs over the Sox. |
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Amen Brother....but here is my argument to why Wrigleyville bashing is just fine....Every time I get in an argument with a Cubs fan it always comes up how The Cell is in the "ghetto" before I even hint towards the area Wrigley Field is in. Give me a break, as long as that shit keeps going on I'll keep making fun of the flamboyancy around Wrigley. As you can tell I don't buy into that being "politically correct" bull....but once again, Amen to all other points!!
1) Cubs fans did not root for Sosa, idiots and children did 2) I have never heard anyone use ratings as an argument. Maybe you overheard ONE guy, ONCE at his grandmothers funeral and you decided that's what all Cubs fans think. 3) aren't you supposed to like your teams broadcaster? What's your point?...4) So two guys put a goat on Caray, that equals all Cubs fans? Is it funny or crude?...5) This is just a stupid argument and doesn't deserve a response...6)This just shows you know nothing about history or even the Sox. US Cell is owned by the State of Illinois. They, not the Sox, do the renovations and this money can't be used on the Sox payroll because its the State's money. Two, the name was put on Wrigley because the Wrigley's owned it. How is that corporate sponsorship?...7) That is a horrible story and I'm sorry for your cuz. But is that any different than two Sox fans running onto the field to beat up an old man (KC's first base coach)?...8) I agree with this one completely... except Chip was a complete douche...9)That is yours and one other guys opinion. Is there an argument here? That's like me saying pink starbursts suck and to prove it here is my freind that agrees with me...10) "celebrate meaningless wins like playoff games" Why is that bad? Don't you want your fans to root for your team no matter what?
"1) Cubs fans did not root for Sosa"
Uh, are you kidding me?
") I have never heard anyone use ratings as an argument"
I'd say 80% of Cubs fans I know personally have brought it up in some way or another.
"3) aren't you supposed to like your teams broadcaster?"
I think it's hypocritical to bash Hawk for the same reasons they like Caray. That's all.
"Two, the name was put on Wrigley because the Wrigley's owned it. How is that corporate sponsorship?"
It's corporate sponsorship because Wrigley's is a company. Cubs fans act all superior when bashing The Cell, but their stadium has been named after a company -- not a coach, athlete, or owner -- for the longest out of anybody. Just because they don't pay for it doesn't change anything.
"That's like me saying pink starbursts suck and to prove it here is my freind that agrees with me"
I used my friend as an example because, since he's from Scotland, he provides a different perspective than most Americans. He didn't grow up being conditioned to think Wrigley was #1 and The Cell was sub-par. He went in with no bias or predisposition, which is what, I believe, makes his opinion intriguing.
But is that any different than two Sox fans running onto the field to beat up an old man (KC's first base coach)?"
Attacking a man vs. girl is a little different, I'd say.
1) I hated Sosa so that may just be me talking (i'll concede)
2) Your freinds are just idiots then and to assume that is 80% of all cubs fans use that argument because your freinds do is simply lunacy. I have never heard that...Maybe thats an Orland Park thing...I have no idea.
3)William and PK WRIGLEY owned the Cubs and the field...IT WAS NAMED AFTER THE OWNERS!!!! Why is that so hard to get into your head.
First off Stompy, that was solid. I don't think I've been as exciting for what's going on here since 7th Floor Crew day.
But you don't mind the Pistons and Packers...yikes. I mean, Rasheed Wallace makes me want to hurt people. And those Packers uniforms just get me pissed when I see them. But yeah, everything else is spot on, particularly the last paragraph.
Now Zack, moron.
So I just wrote out a long response on Sammy, but I'm gonna save it for Monday or Tuesday and make it it's own post.
Ricky,
1. Learn how to spell my name. You have known me for almost a year now.
2. Elaborate on the moron comment (also note I conceded the Sosa point)
Wait it's with an H?! Come on! I seriously never knew that. Sorry brah.
So...Zach. I was gonna bash you on Sammy, I see you retracted it, and I'm just going to make my response into a post on Monday or Tuesday so we'll get into it then.
God, Sammy Sosa. What a guy.
and Fuck YOU ALL...Go Cubs Go!
Dubs is a great example of why people cannot stand moronic cubs fans.
ZDUBS = OWNED. Zach, lucky the cities best left fielder didn't get his shot against Wood... I think we all would have known the results. Good game one overall. Would have been better if Jim Thome could still play baseball.